When I went to the hospital I found one guy who had been diagnosed. Me at first I was thinking that he's all mad, he has run mad. Anyway, when he was approaching to me, I used to take some steps back, you know, because to me I was, I, I was thinking that he's mental... 

He said... and he said to me that... now, 'I wanted these, these doctors it seems they are not… they don't know what they are supposed to do. Now they are saying to me now I'm HIV positive.' He couldn't, him, he couldn't trust the doctors, and he couldn't believe he's HIV positive. 

'Cool down my friend,' I said. 'Calm down. You see me here, I'm HIV positive.' He started anyway looking to me from... 'Are you?' he said. 'Yes,' I said. 'OK,' he said. Now I said, 'If you want to get another advice, I can take you to another place where you can get more advice.' He said, 'What is your telephone number?' I gave it to him. 

Then, by then we are still… we had a African day, it was every Saturday in this little place. I brought him here to the place. Many people, very many there, he said to me, 'Are all these… are all people here HIV positive?' 'Yes,' I said. He said... he said, 'Are you sure?' I started taking him all around these places... this one, that one. He started anyway reading, reading, more reading. And now anyway he, now he… now he's grown in confidence. We are all friends now. All friends.