Yeah I was still lying down with her. And I don't think, I don't think I've had a, I don't think I had mastered the art because my bust was constantly hard, it was, I got really engorged as well, obviously when the milk comes in, it's quite scary [laughs] what happens, but I didn't, I'd, I had to use cabbage leaves and all sorts, I did seem to get really, really sore, hard…
So.
…breasts a lot of the time, so I don't know that she was feeding enough and emptying the breast, I just seemed to be filled with milk a lot.
So that soreness of engorgement…
[Mmm].
…was different from the soreness of the sore nipples?
Oh yes completely different, yes.
Can you…
It's.
…describe the two different sorts of sensations?
It's going back so, it just seems like years and years and years ago. Yeah her actual feeding was like a cut sore, more than anything like you, you know, like you'd hurt yourself, you grazed yourself, yes it was definitely an eye-watering, one of those, a bit like an electric shock I was told it felt like sometimes when that, and it was very much like that it was sore, whereas the actual sore bust it was the whole side of your body, you just felt uncomfortable and, achy and you know it was horrible.
So you used cabbage leaves?
Yes cabbage leaves…
How did you use them, what did you do?
…the midwives told me [laughs].
Did they work?
Well the midwife, one of the midwives who I thought was a bit loopy actually, told me and I thought, 'Oh God here we go again, she's come up with something else' put them down my bra overnight and they'd, it's, it was like having a warm flannel, that idea as well, the milk starts leaking out and they kind of like take them down, take the pressure off, they were great, didn't smell very nice but it was [laughs] it did work, definitely.
How often did you change them? How often did you use them?
I don't, I think.
How long for?
It was like a leaf, a leaf each side, per evening if I was doing it and then change them.
So how was?
I suppose they lose, kind of only last so long I don't know.
And how long did you do this…
I didn't.
…for?
Probably only used it about four or five times, but it was when me bust was really, really sore and, like trying to get a baby to latch on to a really engorged breast is very hard [laughs] and.
Did you have any other tricks up your sleeves for getting a baby to latch onto an engorged breast?
Just warm flannels, I was told to or stand in the shower and let the warm water.
And that.
Or in the bath.
That made the milk flow?
That yes, yeah or lie in the bath, sometimes as well but no the cabbage leaves is quite an eye opener, but it did work [laughs], it definitely works, it was good.
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