Helen: No. It was too much, way too much but the rest of the family well. My mum has taken it okay.

Jason: Your mum has taken it and…

Helen: I have got a handicapped brother who is now 33 so my mum kind of went yes, okay, fine, whatever [laughs]. No problem.

Jason: But my mum still thinks that he is going to grow out of it. So …

Helen: No. We are, yes. We have given up with that one.

Jason: It has divided the families a bit.

Helen: We have divided the family there, yes, because one of your sisters has taken it on board and they have been fantastic and her husband… they have got a ream of their own kids [laughs]. But when we go down there which isn’t that often they are called the special boys and they are spoilt rotten and they are allowed to get away with absolute blue murder and they always take them … [name] he takes them out on the tractor. He brings the tractor home to take … because he knows he likes going out on the tractor. If he knows we are going down he brings the tractor home so that he can take him out on the tractor. They have been brilliant. They have accepted it. We have explained to them how he is, and as far as they are concerned, he is who he is. He is Josh. But your parents have just gone oh well he will grow out of it, you will cope, and left us to it basically. No contact. They have just gone completely the other way.

Jason: Yes. They have just gone.