Yeah. Yeah.

What happens there?

The day is split into two parts, the first part of the day, up until lunch, is much like an academic conference on this really, you, you have two, three, people within kind of well suicide research maybe, tend to be academics, talking about what they’ve found out about suicide really. It’s interesting, it is, I mean people do find it interesting, then you will have survivor testimonies where people who’ve lost somebody to suicide will talk about their experience, tell you know their story. What actually happened? And then in the afternoon you get divided up into what they call a relationship group, and by that I mean you know your relationship to the person that died, so I would be in the sibling group and that sort of mirrors a, a SOBS you know normal meeting, where you go around and you tell people whatever you want to say really, tends to be the story of what happened, so it’s a day long of suicide, and you come back absolutely exhausted, absolutely drained. Its, beneficial to some, I’ve spoken to people who’ve been to one and have not really, personal choice really isn’t it, if you would find that…

Have you found them helpful?

Yes, yes, but you have to; they have to be kind of emotionally strong to be able to go to them I think.

Mm.

‘Cos they are intense, they are hard work and they are draining. So I won’t always go, it depends really.