I think it is kind of important to find people in a similar situation, to find that they, they’ve survived, and do what you feel’s right. There’s no book, I mean there are books out there on suicide, I read one in the early days but it wasn’t about Lori, and I couldn’t see anybody could’ve written a book about him because he was unique, and so there isn’t going be a book that explains why they’ve done it or anything else, and it’s no good having a book that tells you how to grieve because that doesn’t help really a either. It helps to know that you’re not going mad, even if you think you’re going mad sometimes.

Have you got any other message for the, for mothers who’ve got other children, did you ever think of contacting Winston’s Wish for example, Seesaw other organizations especially for children?

No. My son’s are older…

Ah.

…so that wasn’t really appropriate…

No.

…to choose something for them, and I encouraged them to seek help. Make your other children know that they’re still really special because it could, it could almost seem that the dead child is more important than the ones you have alive, I think that’s really important.